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Date: 22 Sep 2007 00:57:12
From: lockjaw
Subject: "we have hit bottom" -- AKA "group is dead"
to continue a thread that went way OT from a pump installation.

ffoax has pronounced AC dead -- again.

I've been aroundf long enuf, here is a gem from 2005:

"Ken Fox


Newsgroups: alt.coffee
From: "Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeG...@hotmail.com >
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:55:49 -0600
Local: Wed, Jun 29 2005 10:55 pm
Subject: We have hit bottom!
Reply to author




 
Date: 22 Sep 2007 22:15:09
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: "we have hit bottom" -- AKA "group is dead"
On Sep 22, 2:58 pm, David De Cristoforo <da...@daviddecristoforo.com >
wrote:
> > I don't know why I'm posting this, merely stating the obvious. Either
> > those of us who know something are going to have to post more, to start
> > interesting discussions, or what we have built up over time is going
> > to be relegated to the archives, as "historical" material.
>
> I have to agree in principal. Several years ago I frequented this
> group for a while but because of time constraints, I "dropped out" for
> a while. Coming back, I am disappointed to find that alt.coffee has
> deteriorated into nothing more than a flame war between a few people
> who invade every post with their childish bickering and
> "oneupsmanship". Grow up people. I said in my postings on the pump
> conversion that I was outta here but hung around for a bit longer just
> to see. But, really, who needs this?
> DD

You are 100% correct. and unfortunately encountered one of the sad
truths of the web, and ac in particular.

We started with your pump mod, actually a fine idea, then came the
derision (not from me, I hope)

NO ONE would ever talk like this in person or on the phone (or one
would hope not)

-- then there are the pinhead anonymous types like 'steve' who drop
in to elevate the discourse.

Just part of the reason the postings have fallen off by half or more
vs. a year ago.

Good news? some -- but not yet all -- of the most obnoxious and
insulting majordomos have moved elsewhere.

regards,

dave
www.hitechespresso.com





 
Date: 22 Sep 2007 11:58:27
From: David De Cristoforo
Subject: Re: "we have hit bottom" -- AKA "group is dead"
> I don't know why I'm posting this, merely stating the obvious. Either
> those of us who know something are going to have to post more, to start
> interesting discussions, or what we have built up over time is going
> to be relegated to the archives, as "historical" material.

I have to agree in principal. Several years ago I frequented this
group for a while but because of time constraints, I "dropped out" for
a while. Coming back, I am disappointed to find that alt.coffee has
deteriorated into nothing more than a flame war between a few people
who invade every post with their childish bickering and
"oneupsmanship". Grow up people. I said in my postings on the pump
conversion that I was outta here but hung around for a bit longer just
to see. But, really, who needs this?
DD



 
Date: 22 Sep 2007 11:17:11
From:
Subject: Re: "we have hit bottom" -- AKA "group is dead"

> If you believe that name calling and straw men are elements of
> debate...
> "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of
> reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt,
> is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert
> an atheist by scripture."
> Thomas Paine
>
> !!
>
> dave
> 910 616 0980

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Most regulars are the problem of this group. Espresso is a
sophisticated process involving experience, culture and technics. One
can't be an expert with some experience, a few ignorance and lots of
arrogance.

Yourself for example seems to possess a balanced mixture of the
required qualities. That's what we need.

David




 
Date: 22 Sep 2007 17:46:23
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: "we have hit bottom" -- AKA "group is dead"
On Sep 21, 11:47 pm, Steve <n...@use.net > wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:57:12 -0000, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >start your own damn group.
>
> You bring new meaning to the word a@sh#ole.
> If this group hits bottom you'll still have to look up to read it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you believe that name calling and straw men are elements of
debate...
"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of
reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt,
is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert
an atheist by scripture."
Thomas Paine

!!

dave
910 616 0980



  
Date: 22 Sep 2007 18:30:47
From: Steve
Subject: Re: "we have hit bottom" -- AKA "group is dead"
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:46:23 -0000, lockjaw <davebobbl@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Sep 21, 11:47 pm, Steve <n...@use.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:57:12 -0000, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >start your own damn group.
>>
>> You bring new meaning to the word a@sh#ole.
>> If this group hits bottom you'll still have to look up to read it.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>If you believe that name calling and straw men are elements of
>debate...
>"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of
>reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt,
>is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert
>an atheist by scripture."
>Thomas Paine
>
>!!
>
>dave
>910 616 0980

Another nymshift Dave?
Stalking me in other groups again?
You're just pathetic.


 
Date: 22 Sep 2007 17:44:31
From:
Subject: Re: "we have hit bottom" -- AKA "group is dead"
On Sep 21, 11:47 pm, Steve <n...@use.net > wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:57:12 -0000, lockjaw <davebo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >start your own damn group.
>
> You bring new meaning to the word a@sh#ole.
> If this group hits bottom you'll still have to look up to read it.

If you believe that name calling and straw men are elements of
debate...
"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of
reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt,
is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert
an atheist by scripture."
Thomas Paine



 
Date: 22 Sep 2007 03:47:12
From: Steve
Subject: Re: "we have hit bottom" -- AKA "group is dead"
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:57:12 -0000, lockjaw <davebobbl@gmail.com >
wrote:

>start your own damn group.

You bring new meaning to the word a@sh#ole.
If this group hits bottom you'll still have to look up to read it.